KATHOPANISHADA CHAPTER 6 AND SHLOKA 12

                                                                नैव वाचा न मनसा 

                                                              प्राप्तुं शक्योन चक्षुषा ।

                                                             अस्तीति ब्रुवतोऽन्यत्र

                                                              कथं तदुपलभ्यते॥ १2

                                                     NAIV VACHA NA MANASA 

                                             PRAPTUM SHAKYON CHAKSHUSHA 

                                                ASTHITTI BRUVATAH ANYATRA

                                              KATHAM TAD UPALABHYATE ||12

THE SELF CANNOT BE EXPRESSED BY SPEECH,NOT UNDERSTOOD BY MIND OE 

            SEEN BY  EYES, HOW CAN THAT 'HE IS'  BE RELISED OTHERWISE ||12 

    This Shloka is similar but not the same .We are told various things about the SELF or that 'I'  and the one of the characteristics of the SELF IS that it cannot be seen or expressed. in words. But our understanding anything is through the senses  and mind  and intellect , but  IT is beyond  language or that it's beyond perception by sense organs .Anything that can be perceived by senses -is not SELF. The SELF is needed for perceiving everything but it itself cannot be perceived by our senses . It  is beyond our senses  and it is also beyond our mind  and intellect. So If 'we' cannot use  the senses to 'KNOW ' THAT SELF then how do we perceive it . Our only way of perceiving anything is through the senses  and if the self cannot be perceived then how do we do it ?

     The answer is difficult as we have gotten in a a mess when when say IT is beyond our senses . But let is take an example of my face . I cannot see my face as my eyes are on my face  and so they cannot see the face . The eyes can see my hand or my leg but not my face . When we look in the mirror we see our eyes and the fave - but it is actually the image of my face  and image of my eyes that I am seeing . The self can be seen same way . I can have a reflection of the Sun in a mirror and the light that comes out of the  reflection of the Sun can be pointed towards real Sun  and that is only way to know the SUN . The Sun is like SELF . So the reflection can get us to understand the real thing 

KATHOPNAISHADA CHAPTER 6 SHLOKA 11

                                                                   तां योगमिति  मन्यन्ते  

                                                                  स्थिरामिन्द्रियधारणाम् । 

                                                                    अप्रमत्तस्तदा भवति 

                                                                    योगोहि प्रभवाप्ययौ॥ 11

                                                     TAAM  YOGAM  ITI MANYANTE 

                                                   STHIRAM  INDRIYADHARANAM |

                                                     APRAMATTAH  TADA  BHAVTI

                                                       YOGOHI PRABHAVAPYAYAU ||11

IN TOGA THE SENSES ARE STEADY FIRMLY CONTROLLED ,THEN THE MIND IS FREE OF         

                    ALL FLUCTUATIONS AS THE YAGA IS ACQUIRED AND LOST ||11

   In this Shloka the Yama is telling us about the YOGA. The meaning of Yoga is union . So the SELF is not seen as we are engaged in sense perception and enjoyment. Sp when one starts having control of the senses ,then the fluctuation is mind may still be there. Let us say I decide not to eat ice-cream or not to go for the movie. I will still think about the taste of ice cream or about the movie ,it's story line or actors and  actresses. This is because my mind KNOWS the taste of the ice cream or has seen the same actors doing a movie before. So even if the senses are kept under control, we may have wavering mind. But after practice  and avoiding all the sense pleasing things ,over period of time one will have mind that becomes calm . I think Vivekanand had said mind is like water in a lake where there are impurities  and when the water is stirred we cannot see the bottom of the lake . But when the water is calk then impurities settle down and we can see the bottom of the lake . The same way when the senses are under control over period of time, the mind becomes calm and we can have YOGA . But the last line is important. The YOGA comes and goes . This is due to our inability to keep the senses under control and have steady mind ALL THE TIME .So over period of time we have perfect Yoga at times and at time not so perfect Yoga.

KATHOPNISHADA CHAPTER 6 AND SHLOKA 10

                                                           यदा पञ्चावतिष्ठन्ते

                                                         ज्ञानानि मनसा सह ।

                                                          बुद्धिश्च न विचेष्टते

                                                        तामाहुः परमां गतिम् ॥ 10

                                               YADA  PANCH  AVATISHTANTE

                                                DNYANANI  MANASA  SAHA |

                                               BUDHHICH  NA  VECHESHTATE 

T                                          TAM  AHUH  PARAMAM GATIM ||10

 WHEN 5 ORGANS OF PERCEPTION ARE ARE STILL OR CALM  AND INTELECT AND 

 THE MIND ARE ALSO CALM OR STILL THAT THEY CALL THE HIGHEST STATE, ||10

 This Shloka is describing what has been described in past . The Lord of Death is telling us as to how to achieve the status where we can perceive the SELF .We know that to achieve the Samadhi or perfect concentration, one must have EVERYTHING ELSE be calm or quiet. So we are told that the sense organs should be quiet. If the senses are active then we cannot concentrate. If I am watching an interesting show on TV I cannot concentrate and same with rest of the senses. The same goes for the mind .We may have blocked the senses  and so they are not disturbing the concentration. But the Mind may be going all over. There are different types of Mind.-MUDH, KSHIPT- VIKSHIPT-EKAGRA-NIRUDHA.  The MUDHA means there is maximum effect of TAMOGUNA  and so one engage in activities like alcohol drugs  and sleep  etc. There is is KSHIPT means it is thrown to outside activities like making money and projects and in this stage the RAJOGUNA is at maximum. Then one starts looking inside  and that is VIKSHIPT  . This is early stage of introspection, In this stage the SATWIC Guna is starting to come up . Then one tries to have concentration at one point in meditation and that is EKAGRA . The SATVIC Guna is getting more dominant. Once one achieves full concentration and there is no imbalance in mind that is NIRUDHA . So, in this shloka we are told that the mind has be at the stage of NIRUDHA. This happens when the senses are still and have no activity. The intellect is involved in analyzing  .- what he senses bring i=n as information and mind has the thoughts. In that sense intellect is part of mind . When we see something or smell something we will analyze it to KNOW what it is . Here the intellect comes in play. So if there is no sense perception  and the mind has no thoughts then the intellect will be not having any role. This is the sate where we are at the HIGHEST STATE -as per this shloka.